Sveiki,
visuomeninės organizacijos "Atviras kodas Lietuvai" vardu
noriu pasiūlyti temą dėl programinės įrangos patentų direktyvos, kurios likimas pastarąjį pusmetį sprendžiamas Europos sąjungoje.

Problema - europinio masto, bet Lietuvoje ją supranta tik keli tūkstančiai piliečių - dažniausiai kompiuteristai.
Vis gi, ji didžiausia smūgį suduotų vartotojams, t.y. visiems Lietuvos gyventojams, naudojantiems kompiuterius savo verslui.

Verslininkai supranta, kad piratavimas nėra išeitis ir daugelis bando laisvas (LaisvosProgramos/Zaliems) sulietuvintas programas, kurios jau dabar yra reali alternatyva nuosavybinėms programoms
Deja dabar siųloma PĮ patentų direktyva suvaržytų laisvos programinės įrangos naudojimą ir tobulinimą..

Lietuva Europos ministrų taryboje turi vieną balsą
svarbu, kad ministras suprastų galimas pasekmes.

Nesenai aie tai rašė Lietuvos Ryte P.Jakutavičius,
„Diskusijoje dėl patentų – ir lietuvių žodis“ 2005-02-07, Nr. 31 (4295),
ir „Lietuvių europiniai patentai nedomina“ 2005-01-31, Nr. 25 (4289).

Taupant laiką, trumpai ir populiariai situaciją nušviečia Audriaus Meškausko straipsiukas http://www.pilieciai.lt/minerva/viewtopic.php?t=190
Bandymas susisteminti įvairius aspektus Patentai/kompleksineProblema

Išsamiau http://swpat.ffii.org/log/intro/index.en.html#legal , www.ffii.org
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/lt/m/dangers/index.html
Didžiųjų koorporacijų propaganda patentus http://www.patents4innovation.org/
pagrindiniai argumentai ir kontrargumentai AK argumentams

Pastaba: progrminė įranga (trump.: PĮ) - tai kompiuterinės programos, o ne fiziniai įrengimai.

Potencialios laidos Patentai/perTV


===== toliau šiokie tokie paaiškinimai, jei neužtektų Audriaus meškausko straipsnio =====
Dauguma valstybinių ir privačių įstaigų dabar nelegaliai naudoja piratinius Windows, MS Office, ir ne tik.
Bet vis daugiau asmenų renkasi pigias (dažnai nemokamas) atviro kodo programas su operacine sistema GNU-Linux -- http://www.ivpk.lt/main.php?id=opensource/d3.html
pvz, Baltix CD (kainuoja ~5Lt) programos yra netgi sulietuvintos aiškiau, negu MicroSoft? produktai.

Dabar dar lengvai pavyksta nebaudžiamam piratauti, bet po poros metų situacija pasikeis
ir tada bus per vėlu, jeigu PĮ patentai jau bus pripažįstami. Bėda tame, kad Linux irgi galima rasti virš 250 patentuotų elementų -- ir sunku būtų teismui įrodyti, kad jie yra sąžiningai sugalvoti. Nes atseit, išduodant patentą, būna patikrinama, kad nieks kažko panašaus dar nėra sukūręs.
Patento pažeidėju bus laikomas ir vartotojas.

Pavyzdžiui, Micro$oft užpatentavo pelės paspaudimą - vadinasi
niekas negalės naudotis kompiuteriu nesusimokėję Microsoft už pelės paspaudimą.

Problema bus tokia, kad atsiras PĮ monopolis -
todėl pakils esamos programinės įrangos kainos, praktiškai dings PĮ pasirinkimas,
o BSA, konkurentai, nepatenkinti darbuotojai legaliai reketuos įmonės vadovus, tuo žlugdydami bet kokį verslą.

Tegul žmonės prisimena Telekomo monopolio pradžią, kuri dar nepasibaigė iki šiol.


realūs/konkretūs atvejai

JAV PĮ patentai galioja ir dėl to kyla dideli teismai:
- pvz, Amazon 1-click http://www-cse.stanford.edu/classes/cs201/projects-99-00/software-patents/amazon.html
tas pats gresia ES http://swpat.ffii.org/papers/eubsa-swpat0202/tech/index.en.html
- netiesiogiai įvardinus MicroSoft? užpatentavo ir pelės spustelėjimą
http://www.developer.net.au/features/top+of+my+head/microsoft+patents+mouse+click.asp
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/srchnum.htm iveskit 6727830
- progress bar EP 394160, tabbed dialog - EP 689133


daugiau ir senesniu nuorodu apie vis dar aktualias problemas:
http://www.neo.lt/nkm/index.phtml?lst=news&id=1078&p=
http://nkm.lt/index.phtml?lst=article&action=view_article&id=533
http://www.euroverslas.lt/?-1799181954
http://www3.lrs.lt/pls/inter/w3_viewer.ViewDoc?p_int_tekst_id=14198&p_int_tv_id=1022&p_org=0 ctrl+F patentai


comments:

... -- Mon, 14 Feb 2005 14:27:05 +0200 reply
Kelios pastabos:

Taisyti šitą: "Dabar naudodami piratines progamas, verslininkai mažai rizikuoja, bet po poros metų bus išganymas turėti pigių ir patikimų atviro kodo" Šitą siūlyčiau keist į kažką panašaus į "Verslininkai supranta, kad piratavimas nėra išeitis ir daugelis bando atviro kodo programas, kurios jau dabar yra reali alternatyva nuosavybinėms programoms". Argumentai: BSA isu mokesčių inspekcija siautėja ir šiuo metu tikrai jau ne toks didelis skaičius verslininkų rizikuoja (lyginat su tuo kas buvo prieš 7-5 metus).

Keletas pasiūlymų: a) pasidaryti kelias schemutes dėl patentų pasikeitimo (didelė įmonė - didelė, maža-maža, didelė - maža). Iš pat pradžių pasakyti, kad nukentės smulkios. ior tik tada rodyti schemutes.

b) Reikėtų susirasti RMS argumentus, kodėl PĮ patentai skiriasi nuo techninių. (labai paprasta sukurti - nėra to naujumo - išradimo žingsnio. Net sąlyginai paprastoje programoje gali būti dešimtys ir šimtai patentų - o techniniuose gaminiuose tokių patentų yra vos keli it t.t. Be to programuotojai nesupranta patentų - jie taip parašyti, kad juos gali suprasti tik teisininkai besispecializuojantys PĮ patentų srityje).

Bendresnio pobūdžio pastabos: 1. *Nekritikuoti patentų sistemos iš principo* ("Patentų sistema iš principo gera, tačiau negalima į ją įtraukti PĮ patentų") [Net jei esate nusistatę prieš patentų sistemą - palikite šį mūšį ateičiai, susikaupkime šiam mūšiui - prieš PĮ patentus]? 2. Jei minima "Intelektinė nuosavybė" - iš kart "šokti ant ragų": "Intelektinė nuosavybė" yra labai plati sąvoka - apima (1)autorines literatūros ir muzikos kūrinių autorių tesies (visi sutinkam, kad tik Ivanauskaitė gali kam nors leisti spausdinti "Placebą" ar "Ragana ir lietus"), (2)prekės ženklus - vėlgi visi sutinkame, Kad tik UAB "Kraitenė" gali žymėti žuvis su ūsuotu dėde Zigmu po pažaščia besinešanbčiu dedelę silkę, kad tik Audimas gali naudoti "audimas" ant drabužių, šokoladas "Karūna" - tik tas, kuris pagamintas Kauno fabrike. (3) patentai. Iš visos šios galybės tik PĮ PATENTAI kelia didelių problemų ir "neįsipašo"į / iškrenta iš esamos sistemos. Todėl, kai kas nors pradeda kalbėti apie INTELEKTINĘ NUSAVYBĘ reikia iškart sakyti: "NE! KALBĖSIME TIK APIE PĮ PATENTUS, nekalbėsime nei apie eilėraščių autoriaus teises, nei paie "Pepsi-cola" prekės ženklus" - tik apie PĮ PATENTUS. (žr analagijos)

ANALOGIJOS Reikia pagalvoti apie TRUMPAS ANALOGIJAS - jos ypač efektyvios (seimo narys Glaveckas tokias dažnai naudoja): Analogijos pasiųlymas (dar reikia pagalvoti, kaip dar labiau sutrumpinti): "Minėti Intelektinę nuosavybę kalbant apie PĮ patentus, tai tas pats kas minėti baldus kalbant apie elektros kėdę. [Nė vienas nejaučia grėsmės, jei kalbama apie prekės ženklus ar komodą, tačiau plaukai šiaušiasi prisiminus PĮ patentus ar elektros kėdę]?"

  1. Susirinkti KONKREČIŲ pavyzdžių kai įmonės bylinėjosi dėl prograsminių patentų - trumpai bet konkrečiai parodyti kuo tai blogai, kad tai daug kainuoja ir t.t. (Patentai papildoma galimybė bylinėtis - kai tik atsiras pagrindas bylinėtis, žmonės tuo iškart ir pasinaudos. Be to KARTAIS bylinėjamasi ne todėl, kad esama teisiais, o tam, kad "apkartintų" gyvenimą kitiems. (Lietuviams būdinga - eiti per visas instancijas iki "Strazburgo"). ESMĖ - VISADA TURĖTI TRUMPŲ ILIUSTRATYVIŲ PAVYZDŽIŲ. - Kiekvienam sakiniui, nes kalbėti aukštomis materijomis gal ir smagu, bet paprastam lietuviui klausytis nuobodu ir nesuprantama.

Dar bendro pobūdžio patarimas - mintys turi būti paprastos ir tilpti į 2-3-4 skainius - Paleckis mėgsta nutraukinėti - sudėtingų išvedžiojimų nepavyks pateikti :(

Mariukenas P.S. Gal vertėtų list.akl skaitytojams susitikti IRC kanale vakare ir pabrainstorminti? Verta pasirengti labai trumpai ir sklandžiai, taisyklinga kalba pasirengti pristatyti problemą, priešigu atveju būsime nesuprasti :( P.P.S. Reikia pagalvoti kaip atsakyti į klausimus, kuriuos gali pateikti Paleckis: 1. "SCO v. IBM(Linux") - ats: čia ne patentai, o sutarties pažeidimas 2. "Vokietijoje nusprendė nebepereiti prie Linux" - ats: melagingas gandas Miunchenas sėkmingai juda - pradėjo ?antrą? migravimo stadiją (+ Britų kažkokios grafystės savivaldybė perėjo, + kitos sėkmės istorijos); 3. "O kas Lietuvoje naudoja Linux?" - ats: serverius naudoja beveik visi - įskaitant seimą, vyriausybę, daugybę kitų valstybinių institucijų. Linux'as darbo vietose - [čia nežinau - ?VU skaityklose?, Tomas jonušas ?Kokia įmonė? http://www.akl.lt/ak/?doc=sekme.html, gal Mantas ką gali pasiūlyti? ]?

... --jurgis, Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:25:39 +0200 reply
patentai - nepatentai http://www3.european-patent-office.org/legal/epc/e/ar52.html#A52_2_c
http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/obviousness/

šiek tiek AK statistikos http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html AK europos viešajame sektoriuje http://europa.eu.int/information_society/activities/opensource/cases/index_en.htm
http://europa.eu.int/idabc/en/chapter/470
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patents_under_the_European_Patent_Convention

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